Welcome to The Distracted Christian Podcast, hosted by Nate Labadorf.
In this deeply contemplative episode, we enter the quiet terrain of Chapter 10 of The Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross—a chapter with no clear steps, no triumphant answers, just a profound invitation: to surrender.
This episode is for those who:
- Feel numb in prayer
- Are overwhelmed by spiritual burnout
- Find silence unsettling instead of sacred
- Have lost the sweetness of past devotions
- Struggle with ego-driven striving in faith
Nate weaves together theology, psychology, and poetic reflection to explore:
- Egoic striving and why our efforts to be “good enough” are often born from fear, not faith
- The spiritual disorientation that accompanies dry seasons in prayer
- How the story of Job reflects the collapse of transactional trust and the emergence of relational surrender
- The quiet wisdom of infused contemplation, where God begins to pray within us
- Clinical insights from psychodynamic theory on the cost of adaptive survival strategies that keep us from rest
Whether you’re in a season of silence, on the verge of spiritual fatigue, or aching for a deeper intimacy with God, this episode offers language for the hush—and hope for what’s being born in it.
Key Themes
- Dark night of the senses
- Ego and spiritual exhaustion
- Letting go of performance-based faith
- Saint John of the Cross on contemplation
- Psychological roots of religious striving
- Job’s suffering and the transformation of identity
- Stillness as spiritual formation
Resources & Mentions
- The Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross
- Anna Freud – The Ego and the Mechanisms of Defense
- Zoe Brennan-Krohn – The Nearness of Our Striving
- Studies on motivational collapse under strain (Standage, Duda, and others)
- Psychodynamic formulation practices by Deborah Cabaniss and team
Three Gentle Invitations
- Let your hands fall open — release control and spiritual effort
- Stay with the silence — let it work on you, not threaten you
- Let yourself be seen — not for what you do, but for who you are
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We also want to offer deep gratitude to the scholars and thinkers whose work helped guide today’s conversation:
- To Zoe Brennan-Krohn, for her hauntingly beautiful thesis, In the Nearness of Our Striving, which gave voice to a kind of love that doesn’t ask us to prove ourselves.
- To Deborah Cabaniss and colleagues, for their clinical wisdom in Psychodynamic Formulation, and the DESCRIBE–REVIEW–LINK model that brings story and soul into gentle conversation.
- To Anna Freud, whose work The Ego and the Mechanisms of Defence remains a deep well for understanding how we try—and often fail—to protect our softest places.
- To Mark Standage, Joan Duda, and Anne-Marie Pensgaard, for their study on motivational structures and the cost of ego-involving climates on our mental and emotional well-being.
And to Goekoop and de Kleijn, for offering a scientific lens into how our highest goals collapse under strain—and how, sometimes, the soul must learn to live without scaffolding.
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Until next time,
May your striving find rest,
Your silence be honored,
And your soul reminded:
Even in the dark, God is with you.

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